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29-08-2002, 07:46 PM
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#1 | | Garage Geezer
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|  US House and Garage
Does this mean 'US House and (US) Garage', or 'US House and Garage' as in UK Garage?
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29-08-2002, 08:48 PM
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#2 | | Registered User
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30-08-2002, 03:45 AM
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#3 | | 303 Collective / Gravis
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i would say primarily house and garage coming from a US perspective.....it doesn't necessarily have to be from the US....hence our grant nelson thread....
making those connections between the US stuff that influenced the early UK Garage scene and producers, as well as new house music that doesn't usually find a place in your UK Garage raves.
there's lots of good US flavored house coming from all over the globe.....this is the place to talk about it.
house music all nite long.....say what? | |
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02-09-2002, 01:31 PM
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#4 | | Ima make you my bitch
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Ive never heard much UK House or euro house that doesnt sound like a cheesy pile of trancey electro crap for about 5 years.
Europe and UK just dont have US house in em. UK should stick to ukg and europe to trance. right? | |
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02-09-2002, 01:48 PM
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There isn't much cheesy acts in the UK at all. | |
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02-09-2002, 03:39 PM
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#6 | | 'otflush innit
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Err... there's plenty of rubbish. Misteeq, anyone? | |
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02-09-2002, 03:53 PM
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02-09-2002, 05:38 PM
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#8 | | Ima make you my bitch
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thats right carnage.
USH has a soulful bumpy banging developed sound. Euro/UK H has this almost trancey progressive weak sound about it. They use trance synths in UK/euro house. | |
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03-09-2002, 08:23 AM
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#9 | | Registered User
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like who?
Bassment Jaxx?
Stanton Warriors?
Tim Deluxe??? | |
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10-09-2002, 11:58 PM
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#10 | | HHNIC
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I think (from the perspective of an American Househead) that a lot of what is defined as US House and US Garage comes from a more organic sound than the neater styles of popular UK House producers.
Mind you, when I refer to UK House producers, I'm not talking about UK Hard House producers, but British producers who make (or try to make) US-sounding House.
Granted, there are still producers out there who have it. Many of them are Deep House producers, such as Phil Asher or the Glasgow Underground producers, or Atjazz. It's all about the equipment and the Soul.
I think there's almost a cultural confusion between the US and the UK regarding what each considers to be House Music.
What we consider "House," (in its old, classic form) apparently, is considered Soulful House/Garage over there.
What I've been told is considered House in the UK, we would either consider to be somewhat Housey or leaning toward Progressive House.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, please. | |
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12-09-2002, 03:26 PM
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#11 | | 303 Collective / Gravis
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i'd say that you've made a pretty good assumption.
i'd also call it a misconception on the part of those that make that seperation.
to me house is house is house.
there are definitely examples though and most come from UK/Europe that walk the line between house and something a bit more progressive.....and i hesitate to even use the word progressive because it ends up being thrown over in the Bedrock/Hooj Choons/Global Underground side of things....and that's not what i mean.
consider Deep Dish. embraced by house heads and progressive heads alike.
Playgroup...has that european sound to them but with very house like elements, especially disco.
cross genre $$$$$$$ization and pollination....give it a name.
the big cultural difference between the US/UK that many peeps in the US do not understand is that the US differs from the UK that dance music has not been, is not now, and may never be as much of a part of mainstream pop culture in the US as it is in the UK.
US pop music is about
teen pop music: britney & nsync...etc
hip-hop/r&b
metal/nu-metal: linkin park, korn, p.o.d
alternative rock: everything else that doesn't fit in here except dance artists who are still not seeing the widespread success that the top 20% of any artists in the above categories see. | |
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13-09-2002, 05:46 PM
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#12 | | is Well Connected
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Playgroup is great.
Get the DJ-Kicks CD he (Trevor Jackson) just released.
I'd say its in that funky post-disco/pre-house area.
A companion to the Disco-not-disco series by Joey Negro. | |
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21-09-2002, 01:27 AM
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| re: Us House and Garage
It depends on how you look at it...
The Usa invented this music that has allowed for many hybrids to be created around the world.
THe first wave of producers from the Uk made tracks or tried to make tracks that were similar to what was coming out of the Usa...
Smokin Beats, Grant Nelson, Joey Mustaphia, Joey Nergo, Charles Webster, etc, etc...Some were and are excellant!!!
Then as the Uk producers got used to the sound they started to add their own flavours...
THen came producers such as Tuff Jam, Dreem Teem, Sunship, M.J.Cole, Artful Dodger, Steve gurley, Wookie, T.J.Case, etc, etc...
Now with have a third wave of Producers coming through making Uk House and Garage music etc, etc..... and that is with Breakbeat Garage styles.
However, there is a underground culture growing for music that was made by the 1st wave of Uk producers that I have mentioned above. And it will grow. Trust me!! There are so many parties catering for this sound now in England
However to confuse things even further.......
If you get the chance to listen to the suff that the Rurals from Devon, England, are doing, as against the stuff that "Playing for the city" group are doing, and they are from Paris, France.
And still add to the equation Jazzanova from Germany - against the stuff of lets say Miguel Migs and the Naked Music crew are doing from San Francisco, Usa..
Then there isn't much difference. They are all as deep as hell...
It depends on how you will look on things.
Have I made any sense here? Please add your comments.... | |
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26-09-2002, 04:26 AM
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#14 | | HHNIC
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| Re: re: Us House and Garage
| “ | Originally posted by carly170
However to confuse things even further.......
If you get the chance to listen to the suff that the Rurals from Devon, England, are doing, as against the stuff that "Playing for the city" group are doing, and they are from Paris, France.
And still add to the equation Jazzanova from Germany - against the stuff of lets say Miguel Migs and the Naked Music crew are doing from San Francisco, Usa..
Then there isn't much difference. They are all as deep as hell...
It depends on how you will look on things.
Have I made any sense here? Please add your comments.... | ” | | http://www.lunarmagazine.com/reviews/cd_m8m.html
Heavy emphasis on the 3rd sentence of the first paragraph.
It's all deep. 2002 seems to be the banner year of the broken beat. | |
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27-09-2002, 11:40 AM
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#15 | | Terror Unit
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28-09-2002, 06:13 PM
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#16 | | 303 Collective / Gravis
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and few genres deserve the recognition more than broken beat. | |
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14-10-2002, 08:39 PM
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#17 | | Ima make you my bitch
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sterling hit nail on head. the first UK producers to do (US) House were right, when it still had the soulful/acid remnants style. But then that changed. They started to make it "their own" (crap).
if I may be so bold and vergin on the racism (tell me wha you think):
House in USA has black, latin/hispanic and white influences and comes out more soulful - even tho diff stuff is brought to the table. Plus: white people and hispanics in USA have more soul in them when it comes to House. Flat out. Straight up.
House in UK is mostly made by white former- /verging on- trance unsoulful heads, hence it comes out $$$$ and proggy. A lot of UK House producers who are white have TOLD ME that they grew up on Pink Floydd and stuff - come on!!!
Whereas US heads be they white or black, prolly grew up on blues, soul, jackson 5, barry white bla bla LOL. Truss me. The producers here jus didnt have same influences....logically, if u head east to germany, their house is vergin on the hard techno cos theres less soul influences in Russia/Germany etc. I do know of some white people in the UK that wont TOLERATE any UK $$$$ house cos they say its got no soul of funk. And truss me, their House is dutty and US sounding.  Not to say white people in UK doing other genres are this way!: MJ cole is one of the most soulful man in UKG truss me. I got bare of his $$$$.
OK, this prolly sounds all racist, so go on. Im ready for it. but out to all mods - please read it again. I meant no harm. | |
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14-10-2002, 08:42 PM
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#18 | | Ima make you my bitch
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or funk* | |
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15-10-2002, 02:19 PM
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#19 | | 303 Collective / Gravis
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i'm the mod of this forum, and i think i understand what you're saying....
and i agree with you to a point as well....
but i will say this as a US person in defense of some UK white people.....when an example does arise from the UK bearing soul....they bear MUCH soul.
it's usually a white male vocalist, but some females come to mind as well, namely Sia.
some examples of some 'white' folks exhibiting soul in the UK.
Led Zeppelin....i'm sorry, but these cats are some of the Bluesiest white boys ever.
Robbie Craig
Rick Astley...his songs may have been cheese, but his voice? smooth.
and i don't know about you, but your new pop star, mr Will Young has an amazingly soulful voice in my opinion.
go white boy go!
again.....i make these comments with a 'tounge-in-cheek' sort of attitude....i'm a hispanic male that listens to black music, and plays london black music for a crowd of mostly white people or non-white gay people....so i doubt that anyone that knew me would suspect any racism. | |
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17-10-2002, 02:59 AM
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#20 | | HHNIC
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| “ | Originally posted by djaguk
sterling hit nail on head. the first UK producers to do (US) House were right, when it still had the soulful/acid remnants style. But then that changed. They started to make it "their own" (crap).
if I may be so bold and vergin on the racism (tell me wha you think):
House in USA has black, latin/hispanic and white influences and comes out more soulful - even tho diff stuff is brought to the table. Plus: white people and hispanics in USA have more soul in them when it comes to House. Flat out. Straight up.
House in UK is mostly made by white former- /verging on- trance unsoulful heads, hence it comes out $$$$ and proggy. A lot of UK House producers who are white have TOLD ME that they grew up on Pink Floydd and stuff - come on!!!
Whereas US heads be they white or black, prolly grew up on blues, soul, jackson 5, barry white bla bla LOL. Truss me. The producers here jus didnt have same influences....logically, if u head east to germany, their house is vergin on the hard techno cos theres less soul influences in Russia/Germany etc.
I do know of some white people in the UK that wont TOLERATE any UK $$$$ house cos they say its got no soul of funk. And truss me, their House is dutty and US sounding.
Not to say white people in UK doing other genres are this way!: MJ cole is one of the most soulful man in UKG truss me. I got bare of his $$$$.
OK, this prolly sounds all racist, so go on. Im ready for it. but out to all mods - please read it again. I meant no harm. | ” | |
I don't know that I find it particularly racist. I mean, the truth is that most of the people who I find love House here come from all walks of life, but from assessing not only A: The number of people in America who listen to the most Soul-less $$$$ that pop music can spit out at them and B: The number of White females who wouldn't bring me home to their parents; I can substantially say that the average White American doesn't have more Soul....just more exposure, perhaps.
The funny thing about Germans, though, is that you can look at the sounds coming from Compost, which, if you couldn't tell from other threads, is one of my favorite labels. Jazzanova just played in Atlanta last month, and they were breaking out records from...damn, right around when I was conceived (late 70s)!  I think that it's all about exposure and receptiveness. I've heard from Army brats who lived in Germany that Germans totally were into Hip-Hop and Soul over there....of course, I've never had the income to go and see for myself...but that shall change.
Most people in America don't like House; it's still got a gay stigma to it. There are certain DJs who play House that appeal to a straight White male frat boy crowd; Bad Boy Bill and Richard "Humpty" Vission come to mind. As a whole, though, most Americans, if they know any Dance Music producers, know Moby, Prodigy, Fatboy Slim, the Chems, Sasha and Diggers, and Oakenfold. BT, Underworld (because "Born Slippy" is used during sports highlights a lot) and Crystal Method, if you want to push the envelope.
Again, I think it's about an understanding of what one considers House. I consider House in its purest form to be what's considered Garage and Chicago Jack tracks. Someone over there might consider a 4-to-the-floor track just to be House, as long as it doesn't reach a certain BPM.
I agree about MJ Cole, though. Homeboy even sits on a couch like a brotha. ;p | |
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