Urban Music: Creativity & Originality Vs. $$$ & Fame

[Kaiser]

i was jus lookin round tha Drum n Bass arena forum and its full of comments like "im sick of all this plastic MCing and cheap beats" etc... jus like alot of the comments u see here when it comes to garage.

u look at the charts and all u see is $$$$in atomic kitten wiv yet ANOTHER cover gettin to number one.....kylie manogue gets into the charts wiv cheap, commercial house....all of a sudden Danni manogue aint far behind wiv exactly the same thing.....holly valance from neighbours is signed up to mime pre-written pop for the masses of 14 year olds who like all that $$$$.....the same record label has now signed up another teenage ozzy soap star, only this time shes from home and away....those are jus a taster of the amount of smart marketing, money driven, manufactured "artists" out there on the commercial music scene.

so, can u really expect any different from urban music?? wot im tryin to work out is, wots makin urban music so...$$$$?
is it really full of wanna b's hoping for money and fame? i dont think so. i think it comes down to urban music being extremely easy to get into to, u dont even need alot of talent to have ur record pressed and bought.

it also comes down to the band-wagon crew aswell....image has over taken garage, and in an atempt to match garage wiv its 'rude boi' image people have made it too dark.

its like drum n bass, drum n bass is the hardcore urban music, and people have taken it too far wiv tunes like pacman and grimey where its stop being hardcore and jus become...noise...

this is wot i think.....image has overtaken urban music....as the image became more hardcore over the years, more and more wanna b's wanted to join the band wagon crew and bought overly hardcore records that were bad quality and cheap, but not as embarressin to buy as tunes that are more "dance" like and tuneful.

wot do u think is the cause?

[dj raptor]

i bet if uk hip hop was good enough the rudeboys would have gone there and we wouldnt have had this problem. your right. too many people in the scene with no real love for the music, just for the image that goes along with it.

[IMPOS]

Image was always the big thing where UKG was concerned. Except it was a very classy image whereas now...

This is a wicked topic y'know!

Urban music doesn't belong to the streets any more - It belongs to the media. That's a big part of the problem.

[Kaiser]

Originally posted by IMPOS
Image was always the big thing where UKG was concerned. Except it was a very classy image whereas now...

This is a wicked topic y'know!

Urban music doesn't belong to the streets any more - It belongs to the media. That's a big part of the problem.

belongs to the media?? personally i dont think the media have had that much of a say in the matter....i think the way garage has turned out reflects more on the huge amount of idiots and image seeking thugs in the scene then the medias "twisting".
look at techno and hard house, some hard house is IMPOSSIBLE to tell apart from todays garage...so why didnt all these people who claim to be loving upthe sound of garage now get into hard house half a $$$$in decade ago? if they love this sound now why didnt they hear hard house back then and like it....coz it didnt have the image they wanted to be associated wiv....

[IMPOS]

I meant in the sense that the media brings it to the forefront of people's attention... There is a certain amount of "twisting" involved too though.

[[agx]]

romeo used ukg as a nice stepping stone to Christina milians feet where he can lick em, suck her bonions and try and get a shot at being a US c.david style star.

Of couse he was "using" ukg, or "substituting" it for hiphop which isnt an option for UK ppl really.

He wanted fame and £££ and he got it. Kinda left a trail of crap UKG behind him tho.

[DJ EL SID]

what do u lot think of that new oxide and neutrino tune? dem girls or something??

got to give it to them - oxide's beats are quite good, distinctive, skippy and yeh not bad at all.

[[agx]]

I cant get past that fruityloops snare. its soooo acid House. remember Madonna Vogue? Same snare. Dunno what theyre on. Dem girls cuda been a good tune if Neut werent doing offtime MCing on it. hes flow was all over the place, squeezin words here, stretchin syllables there. total $$$$. but it got signed :O

I dunno if it was cos I was new to UKG but in 98/99, it was like:
"have u heard the tune that goes bla bla bla"

now its:
"have u heard dizzy rascal" (more about his personality than his music)

[sclewett]

its the $$$$ty record companies makin money out d lil teeny boppers beggin there parents for $$$$ like hear'say. good ridance

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