iceman is back with a politcal topic from uptown

**Iceman** · 24-05-2002, 02:19 PM

ok ive see varius topic around constanly slagging off the bass that is selling number across the UK.

POLITICS
garage is at its peek at the moment. weve got tunes in the charts and more and more people wanna know what the scenes about. if bass is so sh1t then why are people making it, selling, raving to it, requesting it etc. vocals has had its time and its over FACE IT. its a new era (well not new) the bass era. i remember when garage ws going through the vocal era of flower and every other female RnB singer being bootleged by garage (that was like year 2000 time). i didnt like how the scene was going but i didnt start moaning or ever think about leaving my scene (unlike DJ ice, dubaholics)

THE BEEF
look at DnB from 1992 to 1997 (remeber) drum and bass was going through the same problem as what the garage scene is going through. DnB raves were getting locked of one by one and the scene was dying. the reason why we have so much beef in garage is because all the rude boys got bored of DnB and needed a new scene to terrorise and look cool in. and if your into DnB and your viewing BE fuking real, your scene was dyeing and was dead for about 2 or 3 years.

FAKE PRUDUCERS
it seems like everyone is a producer nowadays. im mean if you own a computer with some cheep music package you can basically call your self a producer (what a load of bullsh1t). yeah youve got all these 13 year old kids on the back of the bus claiming to be a producer. what happened to the use of hardware.

DUBPLATES
today to say you have a dubplate nowadays doesnt have the same effect as it used to have back in 1997. the value of dubplates are decreasing because of my last point on fake producers. i remember when it was only the big boys like EZ, mike to the ruth to the cut to the loyd had dubs with thier names in those were the days.

DRUM AND BASS (DnB can suck my díck with thier bullsheet)
what can we do people are constantly requesting bass yet everyone on here is moaning about it. ive heard the vocal DJS cussing it ive heard the real DnB cussing our garage bass. why? wasnt it people like zinc hype and brookie that started the garage bass off? and now thier cussing, that dont make sense?

views from iceman keep it real

**DJABLE** · 24-05-2002, 02:22 PM

ah who cares i dont i jus play what i lilke cant no one think of anything better to talk about

**Sares** · 24-05-2002, 02:24 PM

I see you made your way back over here!

By the way read your topic on uptown earlier and agree with most of what your saying however, musically the scene was in its prime between 93-98....the best music was being produced the scene was fresh, new, sexy and happy...

Yes garage now is being recognised worldwide and is selling more than ever now but you have the downside in the fact that you have attitude and vioulnce, everyone is jumping on the bandwagon with producing, Djing, Mc'ing the lot and the scene is getting full of $$$$....I think some of the old producers need to come back and get back out there and there should stop being so much $$$$ put out....plus promoters should crack down on drugs, age and attitude that comes into there nights...

On another note as a person who works in the industry and sells garage there is actually not that much about at the moment!

**Iceman** · 24-05-2002, 02:29 PM

nice veiw sares good point. as for dj able im only trying to get feedback from other on this forum dont be rude

iceman

**DJABLE** · 24-05-2002, 02:31 PM

safe man i do agree with thte last 2 tho

**joe-r** · 24-05-2002, 02:35 PM

U SARES AND ABLE ALL HAVE GOOD POINTS.
IF DJ'S TRYED TO PUSH THERE OWN STYLE INSTED OF THE LASTEST TUNES ('USUALLY B-LINE ,PLAYSTATION MADE TUNES') MAYBE GARAGE WOULD BE IN A BETTER STATE?

**Sares** · 24-05-2002, 02:39 PM

Garage would be in a better state if there was a crack down on violence, people did not sign any old tune that comes along and be selective with what they chose to release, sign etc and if the old producers felt they could contribute to the scene again...alot of them have moved on to house and funky house now, which is similar to the early garage years, I am not saying get rid of the basslines, the breakbeat or the dark and moody stuff as of course with time sounds and styles progress but maybe find a happy medium between the two, something does need to change though

**MC Carnage** · 24-05-2002, 02:42 PM

something does need to change though

HOW?

**Sares** · 24-05-2002, 02:46 PM

well I was waiting for suggestions, I have suggested stuff myself if you read my posts....but it does need to change in some way or form to make surethe scene keeps getting stronger...

**joe-r** · 24-05-2002, 02:57 PM

IF DJ'S TRYED TO PUSH THERE OWN STYLE SELECTION WISE IS A START. MANY SETS I HEAR WHEN I GO OUT ARE VERY SIMILAR.

PEOPLE DONT LIKE TO HEAR THAT MUCH HOUSE MUSIC IN RAVES BUT IM SURE IF U START DROPPING THE ODD COMERCIAL HOUSE TUNE EVERYWEEK IN A GARAGE SET EVENTUALLY ENOUGH OF THEM WILL BE FEELIN HOUSE. ITS LOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNG.

OR MAYBE THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE THE SCENE GOOD AGAIN IS TO GET EVERYONE (BANDWAGON JUMPERS) AWAY FROM THE SCENE .BY PUSHING THE MUSIC THEY AINT FEELIN .
THEN WHEN ITS COME AROUND GOOD AGAIN THE BANDWAGON JUMPERS WILL ALL BE BACK

IT GOES ROUND!
DNB >> GARAGE >> DNB??

THATS JUST MY THEORY.

**Sares** · 24-05-2002, 03:01 PM

I actually am beginnig to like quite a bit of house music, esp funky house....

**joe-r** · 24-05-2002, 03:04 PM

same ere ,love my funky stuff

**Sares** · 24-05-2002, 03:05 PM

reminds me of old garage!!!

**Rowland Samuel** · 24-05-2002, 03:12 PM

I think the scene is getting better in my words

There is a lot of good 4/4 out right now (Todd, Matt Jam, Qualfide,Drama, D'n'D etc) and hopefully a lot more decent 2step will b coming instead of this half produced b-line (in 2step and 4/4 form) and jump up/breaks $$$$ .

I like a b-line track when made properly (Standard Hoodlum and EL-B's stuff coming into my mind).

But right now ppl r not even think bout producing the stuff properly and it sounds v.repetive .

Where's the funk and soul in the B-lines now (there were there b4 so y not now ??) . Most of it sounds like a few noises put together or that the ppl in the studio where just on a vibe flex .

I agree with Sares that there aint a lot of UK G out right now as i'm always in the shop looking for good stuff to buy .

Ppl need to stop being sheep as well and decide for themselves when buying tracks not just cos EZ etc r playing !!

**Rowland Samuel** · 24-05-2002, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by Sares
reminds me of old garage!!!

V.tru Sarah

@ least ppl dance to it instead of just standing around like twats !!

**Sares** · 24-05-2002, 03:16 PM

Good points there Row (By the way was half asleep when you called last nite, so cut you off sorrrrrrrrrryyyyyyy) I agree yeah there are good producers out there right now, like the ones you named doing the do, but there is also poorly made, repetative releases of dark tunes....there def does need to be some funky, soulful, uplifting garage brought back into the scene even if there was as much as that around as the dark stuff aa there is at the mo that would be the start of it getting better....music effects your moods and if you have a night of dark moody garage tunes being played it is going to attract the wrong crowd and the wrong vibe but a bit of both mix it up and you will find a better scene.

**Sares** · 24-05-2002, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by It's A Naturel Thing

V.tru Sarah

@ least ppl dance to it instead of just standing around like twats !!

Exactly thats another problem, I remeber when you could go to a rave and have a night full of happy vibes, you could freely dance and walk around without a screw face in sight, you could dance to every choon dropped...the problem with all the dark stuff is some of it you cannot dance to so what else can you do but stand around....

**deejayloveit** · 24-05-2002, 03:19 PM

at the end of the day......hell, at the beginning of the day, and smack dab in the middle of the day, a good tune is a good tune, and cack will always be cack.

i've always been a fan of the vocals, but i would never pass up a quality bassline record by a reputable producer to pick up a crap short lived vocal tune that's shoddily produced just because i happen to have the opinion that more bassline stuff is crap than quality.

in my opinion anyone that would do that is more interested in pushing their opinions or their judgement than the actual music.

violence in the scene. i'm not touching it, because it's not even worth mentioning. if you're at the club to show screwface, you're not down with my program, and i have no time for you. enjoy the music, have fun or stay out if you're there to cause problems or look for trouble bad mans watch out! please.

this is not too much different than hip-hop in the us. southern bounce music.....lots of crap, lots of knock offs, lots of records designed to put man against man, instead of gettin the men to step up to the women. caused too much drama.

you gotta have some hard with the soft, some vocals and some dubs, some MC's with some instrumentals, some vibe with some straight energy, bashment and the ladies massive, darkness with the light, good and evil. balance, harmony. yin and yang.

**Sares** · 24-05-2002, 03:27 PM

Totally agree with that!

**Rowland Samuel** · 24-05-2002, 03:31 PM

A bit of a mixture don't hurt no one .

But that isn't happening right now .

A lot of ppl r just following sheep (with producing and buying tracks) .

Iceman - From 97-00' there was a good mixture of B-line and vocals in UK G tracks don't go there and say that it was only bout Flowers etc cos it wasn't .

I remember that tracks like 1999 was getting as much play as the vocal stuff !!.

Sares no worry bout that hun - i'll see u @ the footy and the @ Glasshouse 2morrow.