garage mc's

**tiger** · 29-01-2002, 10:56 PM

everyones allways talking bout how no garage mc's could hold a candle to us hip hop emcees. granted, at 100 bpm, most of these guys and gals couldent. but at 130-140 bpm, i'd be hard pressed to see anyone but busta rhymes keep up with the likes of maxwell d and rankin!

**RokkoFB** · 29-01-2002, 11:28 PM

Jay-Z can.

Anyone remember Big Daddy Kane's "Show and Prove" listen to Jay's verse.
Also remember Original Flavor?

**deejayloveit** · 29-01-2002, 11:30 PM

i disagree......

lot's of MC's can handle that.....

twista is the first that comes to mind....

i'd also rate some of my dirty south brethren.....

i personally don't think too much of the bone thugs family, but they can handle that tempo....

eightball and MJG....no problem

jay-z.....include him

big bio and dre from outkast......

Tela from the Suave House crew.....

theres more, that's just off the top of my head.

**deejayloveit** · 30-01-2002, 02:05 AM

DOH! how could i forget Ludacris?? no problems for him at that tempo.

i've also heard Run from Run DMC flow with the high tempo lyrics at a half time beat of around 70 bpm, which would be fine on a garage record.

**TiNyMC** · 30-01-2002, 02:15 AM

yeah i was just thinkin about ludacris love. buuuuuuut man, i seriously think english "MC"s and US "MC"s are totally different. its kidna funny all the "MC"s in england, like peeps in so solid, k2 family, or whoever that wants to make it big, they wnat to be "rappers/MCs" like the US guys. and i totally think like, some of the commerical "MCs" here in teh US are kinda wack. except for the underground guys.

tiny

**deejayloveit** · 30-01-2002, 02:32 AM

i feel ya.....i mean jay-z has his moments of brilliance....then he has all the rest of his releases talking about the same ol crap.....but that's what the people want.

they want to hear another 1000 verses about moet and rolex's, and stackin chips, and strippers and hoes, and poppin ecstasy, and rollin on 20's, platinum chains, bentleys, rollin another blunt, private jets, blah blah friggin blah.

i'm guilty of supporting this music. i disregard the lack of lyrical content over solid production and i feed it to my crowds.

most of the UK mc's aren't dropping the metaphors though....or the focus is a bit more narrow. i liked the earlier MC stuff....because it was all promoting the party vibe, and the garage vibe.....the mc vocal was there to complement the track. now these new mc tracks show the mc wanting to be respected for their skills......and the lyrical content needs to come up in quality first......at least with the older stuff, i wasn't looking for the MC to be skilled like Mos Def....i just wanted him/her to have a cool flow that made me feel good, and promoted that garage vibe. i don't listen to garage for MC's with lyrical skills. i listen to garage because it makes me want to dance. it's got soul, and vibe, and the beats are hectic.

**TiNyMC** · 30-01-2002, 03:11 AM

yeah thats whats so crazy..you take one thing and spread it to differernt parts of teh world, and they all end up being different, but at one point or another it started at the same spot. its just how differnt the US and england are. its just where you grew up that makes the difference. i big up both countries for what are coming out. they are "rapping" about what they know, and what they grew up with. its just crazy how peeps like the roots, J5, dialated peeps, and mos def, can be well known as much as jay z and ludacris, but have such difference styles. i dont know how to explain it. one can spit lyrics by tellin a story and talkin about real hip-hop and base it on lyrics only, and the other just talk about bling and blangs and the smae shiet over and make millions of more. yeah the the stuff on teh radio is lyric base, but i dig the mos def and dilated peeps style better. just dont know *shrugs

like i remember when we booked deekline here in dallas, and we were all chillin at ma friend chad's(midway), and were wer elistenin to some promo's from his label, and when he put this rekkid on with some new MCs he is signin to his label he asked me "does this sound like rap", or "MC"...and off the bat i said MCin becuase when i think of rap, i think of master p and "commercial hiphop". it was just kinda weird how he signed those MCS to specifically to make "rap" records and me thinkin it was "MC". kinda confusing. MC is such a broad term actually. everyone has there own definition.

tiny

**Heartless Nigga** · 30-01-2002, 09:04 AM

Most rappers could chat at 130 - 140bpm

US Mc's have much more skills and it wouldnt take long for them to adapt to the change of tempo.

**TiNyMC** · 30-01-2002, 12:52 PM

i really dont think it matteres because usually when i MC to drum and bass...and a hip-hop record comes on ma MCin and temp stays teh same. its kinda crazy becuase when i MC to garrige my tongue movies faster.

has anyone heard the det and skibadee 2x freestyle hiphop track. i heard it on the UK best of hip-hop CD or soemthing like that, and the style and speed of skibadee and det Mcin to hip-hop is the same tempo as drum and bass.

tiny

**Sen** · 30-01-2002, 02:34 PM

it's not odd, it's just that hiphop is around usually 90 - 100 bpm and jungle/drumnbass is around 160-180 bpm, making the speed an MC chats basically the same. The doubletimers are fast though...

Garage is around 130-140 bpm, meaning that if you want to rhyme on tyme, you best be quick about it.