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Nov 19 2006
Talk Yank And We Will Diss You Print E-mail
Saturday, 18 November 2006


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“Back then, accents were the issue. Nowadays, standard: talk Yank, we'll diss you” -Yungun

There was a video doing the rounds on Channel U about a year ago called '4 My City'. It was by a  hip hop group called 'C.O.V.' ('City Ov Villainz') and it featured the trio – and dozens of affiliates – dipped head to toe in camouflage jackets and NY hats scowling at the camera, shooting dice in alleyways and getting chased around estates by policemen. On first glance, there was nothing remarkable about this video or this group at all; the lyrics were mediocre copy-cat gangsta rap off-cuts – the bone and gristle to Mobb Deep's breast meat – the references were sculpted from 2 parts cliché and 1 part Spike Lee films (“haters”, “fake cats frontin'”, “up in front of the liquor store”), and the accents were precisely the thick New York drawls you would expect. However, on closer examination, '4 My City' becomes more than just a horrifically unoriginal rap song; it becomes the audiovisual representation of everything that is wrong with UK Hip Hop today, for, despite their American terminology, their American style and even their American accents, C.O.V. are from Coventry.

So the question, I suppose, is why? It has been roughly 20 years now since London Posse took a sledge hammer to the chains around the English accent and allowed it to run free throughout hip hop so why, WHY can groups like City Ov Villainz (apparently Coventry is equally renowned for both its villainy and its poor spelling) still exist? 

Of course, it is not all as bad as I – and C.O.V. - make it out to be. In fact, with the exception of the Villainz themselves (and only two of the three in their ranks actually use the US speech pattern), Moorish Delta 7 (who, on the Midlands anthem 'Where Ya From' – a love letter to Brum, Nottingham and Sheffield - respond to this very question in their best New York accent with a proud 'Birmingham!') and Big Brovaz (too terrible to really get into), very few rappers are guilty of the accent switch in 2006. Lewis Parker has long since Anglicised his watery American twang and Lee Ramsay of Out Da Ville realised years ago that his own Nottingham drawl is far superior to any East Coast mimicking he could muster. The thing that I am really opposed to, and of which many MCs are still guilty today, is – to use Yungun's phraseology above – this trend of “talking Yank”. By this, I don't mean just copying the American accent; I mean copying the slang, the style, the sound and even the catchphrases (while Sincere maintains on every track that “it's your boy!”, Jay Z was surely 'our boy' long before him) of our American counterparts. 

The list is long and thoroughly depressing. The most obvious culprits are probably European Dipset marionettes S.A.S., who, despite ultra-English song titles like 'Cheerio', are fervent promoters of American rap institutions such as “twenty-inch chromes” and the practise of “getting cheddar from yay”. However, much more unlikely suspects emerge on deeper investigation; from underground UK hip hop stalwart Kashmere's Wu-Tang burglary on 'Shaolin Iron Claw' to Sway's 'London (Fuck New York)' on which Baby Blue claims, “we don't look to the U.S.” over a beat produced by an American on a song that deliberately apes an American track.

Yes, just a quick glance at Channel U will confirm that “talking Yank” is all the rage in the UK hip hop/grime scene today. However, still the question remains: why? In order to answer this query, it is necessary to examine the situation from the perspective of an act that is guilty of this crime and thus it seems only right that we should bring in Coventry's most villainous once again. My guess is that it was a simple case of association: C.O.V. were raised on U.S. hip hop and came to associate the genre not only with grittiness and 'realness' but, much more importantly, with fame, success and wealth. American rap is arguably the biggest and most lucrative musical genre in the world and the Villainz wanted a piece of the action. Acting, dressing and sounding the same way as 50 Cent, Mobb Deep, The Game etc appears to be the key to quick fame, fortune and respect; it has worked for countless other American rappers – why couldn't it work for C.O.V.?

What City Ov Villainz didn't factor into the equation is that they are, whether they like it or not, English and this is not the British hip hop route to stardom. The colossal irony here is that, in the field of commercially successful UK hip hop, it pays to be not only as original but also as English as possible. 

Take a look at our most successful hip hop exports: The Streets, Dizzee Rascal, Lady Sovereign and Roots Manuva. All these acts are incredibly innovative, unfalteringly British and look and sound like no-one else. Now take a look at America's most successful hip hop artists: 50 Cent, The Game and T.I. These three are - from the perspective of someone interested in lyrical content, production and style - fairly interchangeable. I am in no way having a go at any of these rappers – I am actually very partial to a bit of T.I. myself – but it cannot be denied that there is a much greater divide, aesthetically and sonically, between Roots Manuva and Mike Skinner than there is between Fiddy and The Game. 

So, with this in my mind, surely the practise of “talking Yank” seems even more ridiculous? It has been proven that the artists who are original and, rather than shying away from their British roots, flaunt them uncompromisingly are the ones that will achieve the most record sales and recognition (both national and international) and yet so many UK groups are still happy to pull on their NY hats and talk about “cheddar” and “flossin' in clubs”.

Ultimately, I really don't know why this still happens. I am always bewildered to read in interviews and on forums that 'real hip hop heads' have no respect for people like Mike Skinner when he has injected more originality into the UK scene than any other British rapper ever. Anyone with any ideas on this subject, please get on the forum and share them! For now, I'm off to Coventry where I have two ho's and a large glock waiting for me outside the Oddbins liquor store.

Words By: Tom Ellen




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written by Saz , December 05, 2006
Entertaining read Tom - made me laugh to myself at my desk! Thanks for that smilies/cool.gif
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written by ..... , January 07, 2007
funny but S.A.S aint american, listen to them properly and carefully. especially mayhem
Homework...
written by Coventry , April 07, 2007
Do your homework sunshine... 1 of C.O.V is actually an american... hmmm do you think thats were he gets the accent from?
HMMMMMM...
written by DZ REPIN' KOTR , April 16, 2007
YOU MAKE SOME GOOD POINTS BUT LEMME SHOOT FROM MOST NARROW MINDED UK HIP HOP HEADS DIRECTION.WHEN U BEEN "BUMPIN" (LOL HAD TO DO IT) US SHIT FOR SO LONG UK LIFE JUST SEEMS LIK WATERD DOWN US LIFE SO UK RAP IS JUST WATERD DOWN US RAP TO THEM (IDIOTS).SO WHEN THEY WANNA HEAR A STORY,ITS LIKE FILMS,WHO WANTS TO SEE A LIL OLD LADY GET MUGGED ON A BUS WHEN U COULD WATCH TONY MONTANA TAKE ON NEW YORK AND BECOME SOME SORTA COKE KINGPIN.WHILST DESTROYIN HALF OF SAID CITYS POPULATION.
safe
written by NoTtZ_lAsS , April 17, 2007
i thought it wa gd. thinks u all mad yas gets mehh but loving yall lol smilies/grin.gif
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written by Jay , June 08, 2007
Do you not think that content is far more important than the way you sound? I mean personally I would much rather listen to a positive uk rapper that sounds american than a UK rapper glamorising gun culture & degrading women! Would'nt you?! I mean the world is upside down right now and your worried about how you sound? forget it music is an artform and should and can be portrayed in any way the artist seems fit! ohh and IMO Mike skinner/Dizzy Rascal is not a representation of Hip-Hop culture, they are garage/rave mc's. Anyway just my two pence worth. smilies/wink.gif
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written by Robin Jones , June 11, 2007
Why people dont like Mike Skinner: The direction he takes the sound of British Hip-Hop in, although unique, does just sound like he's aiming to sell it to the mainstream public. Most music fans that are into British Hip-Hop wouldn't really like his music as it is far too pop orientated. Personally I dont hate the guy, but to me his music sounds fairly bland and predictable. Yes he may have brought Brit Hip-Hop more exposure which is a good thing, but it's just more pop than anything else. Dizzee and Roots Manuva on the other hand I can't have anything but respect for, they've taken what sounds great from the Brit Hip-Hop & Grime sound and made awesome music from it that sells to a diverse demographic, not just hip-hop heads.
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written by Mental-Man , June 23, 2007
All this yip yap bout hip hop, either u.s or u.k, is all wrong, i aint heard propa hip hop from either in a few years now, 4 real. mind you everything the market touches turns to isht!And moneys the motivation to all these puppets.If u wanna think of hip hop, you need to love nostalgia, and watch 'wildstyle'and reminisce. or at least tump them old mixtapes (cassettes of bad quality, hissy, distorted diamonds!) from back in '95-'98, the independents years. E.G UK= Uk hustlers,Blade, Bury Crew, Silent eclipse/mcD, Blak twang, Cash Crew, Braintax e.t.c
US= Stretch & Bobbito, Sway N tech, Company flow, arsonists, Diamond D & D.I.T.C, Fondle em records e.t.c
Ya nah mean peeps!!!!
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written by Andrew Milner , June 25, 2007
Nice article, a couple of wrongful accusations though. Mega and Mayhem are only hybrid-American accents, and for a pair who have lived their for the last 10 years, it's something that can be forgiven. Being signed to a US label, hanging around US artists, and coming up through the US scene hasn't really helped them develop the UK side of things either.

And Mental-Man, what? Depends what you're looking for. Stig and Dr Syntax are big on the 'don't give a ish' kinda thing, tracks like Fatty & Speccy are fun outings with some funny lyrics, whilst Rhite Whino and I Never are big, deeper tracks. His Homeless Microphonist LP is well worth a listen to.

Other people like M9, Terra Firma, Chain of Command, Spida Lee, Ric Branson, etc are all worth looking out for.

Depends what you're looking for really?

And if you're a Diamond D fan, head on down to Lyric Pad in Brixton on 1st July, he's doing a show especially for the older heads.
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written by midas , June 27, 2007
mate u chat s**t and you dont know what the hell ur on about, c.o.v are steady reppin,rap and hip-hop has been on top in the us since the late 70's/early 80's so uk styles are bound to sound similar oh and by the way 1 of c.o.v is american and im certain that he has his imputon the lyrics, you really need to do your homework before you start cussin somone on the net, anyways ya neva know you might get sumin right next time. peace
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written by studge , September 12, 2007
well basicly u jus typed out a lad of rammel and put it on the internet you stupic fat grasy bastard

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written by studge , September 12, 2007
well sed MIDAS

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written by Kaptin , November 13, 2007
I think the main problem is a sense of reality and being able to relate. Most people who are into UK Hip-hop can relate in some way to what the artists are saying but if they start coming across as maybe something they're not then they will be looked at with suspicion. However it isn't always a clear cut division. As some people have pointed out SAS have lived in America for some time and one of COV is American (although not too sure what the others excuse is). Many people start off rhyming with a US accent before they find their own identity within the artform, maybe part of the problem is that those who do now are blatantly not comfortable with themselves and it shows. It is equally bad however to copy another accent from the UK, as many people did with London or Northern rapper such as Task Force, Skinnyman, Jehst, Cappo, etc but it's easier to hide. But then it only seems to be an issue in UK Hip-hop. What about great artists such as General Levy, Tippa Irie and Top Cat who put on Yard accents and do Ragga, or any of the amount of British singers who use American accents.

There is another factor with the language however. Why shouldn't US termanology enter UK language? That is how language develops. I for one probably use any number of American Hip-hop terms left over from the late 80s and early 90s, because it was a big inlfuence on me growing up, I heard it in the music and read it in magazines and so it became a natural part of my speech. The same goes with certain Jamaican phrases. I have been into Reggae for nearly as long and have lived in areas with a high percentage of Jamaicans but even if I hadn't the phrases and termanology are all around me anyway, especially in UK Hip-hop. Plus some of this comes down to the beauty of language. Bumbaclart is an amazingly descriptive and beautiful (if not rather rude) word (although officially 2 words) so why not use it, don't have to be Jamaican, Patois itself was a mixture of English and Local African dialects which developed through changing societies. I also love Spanish swear words such as Puto and Pendejo and use them but have no direct Spanish blood at all, I have certainly never lived there but I have aquired them from various media sources and used them to make up the Post modern identity and speech I now possess. This is more a stream of consciousness then any kind of thought out argument but hopefully somewhere in there I have a point.

bigLOVE,

Kap
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written by bob , March 05, 2008
HI smilies/cheesy.gif
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written by Blaze , March 11, 2008
Listen, Looch is my cousin and we grew up together when we lived in USA. How you going to send out an article like this like you know what good music is. What have you done, seriously. Them guys are talented artists and they will go far. No matter if it sounds English or not you have to realize that music is diversed. Blaze
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written by mc square , March 17, 2008
i know this guy whos got a song on his 'album' called (wait for it) REPRESENTIN FROM HULL (i kid u not) sung in a fake wanky accent.this kind of strange behavior is thankfully dying out, gradually diminishing like a metaphorical dog turd exposed to the elements, hard and crispy on the outside, but still soft as shite on the inside, if u get ma meanin. gradually these people will realise the paradox. real hiphop is from the heart, people. ive been doin my own fing 4a long time now an dont give a shit whats doin the rounds. im proud of who i am and those imitators out there, beware! uno who u are. keepin it real? wiya dodgy FAKE accents! get a grasp on the language before u command it. else me an my lads will take u apart, cos thats what we do. this is our religeon for real, we are steeped in the ways my friend, an these heathens blapheme when they speak so pretentiously, even so, we need em, it makes it easier for real edz to get ahead somehow im sure. westwood actually beleives hes hood, bottomline, hes a weakling in this arena, and he : needs : us to reinforce his credibility an status, face it, he paid a kid to pop him just to get the ratings up! no more nonsense lads. mcs out there just keep on rhymin an speakin ya mind in a voice of your design, never mind whats on the wireless, its MYSPACE NOW! nowt that i can think of more embarrassin than wankers with a mic and an attitude whos tryin too hard. topdat ya nob jockeys...1st lessons for free. sureal productions
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