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Jun 06 2007
Is Grime Dead Print E-mail
Wednesday, 06 June 2007


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As a deeply lonely person, I spend much of my time – when not weeping or playing online poker – perusing internet music forums. If you haven't yet visited one of these forums (although, if you are reading this, I'm guessing you probably have) they essentially serve two main purposes: the first is to represent a kind of virtual soap box for musical geeks everywhere to have their say on the latest dubstep white labels and argue over whether Reason or Cubase produces the finest 'wobble bass'. The other is to provide a kind of cyber crèche for tourettes-ridden 14-year-old Home Counties simpletons, who log on under guises like 'The Grime King', 'BaDdAmAn4813', 'Sinatra' and 'Leicester Click' (these are all real) and vent their spleens on pretty much anything, using mainly winking emoticons and the * symbol.  

The one subject which dominates (or has dominated) pretty much every one of the more 'urban' of these music forums is the question of whether or not Grime is dead. Opinion on this topic – in keeping with opinion on most of the other topics that pop up on these sites – is divided. Some – like Birmingham's 'jonfun' - adamantly advertise the genre's rude health, claiming “things are gonna kick off!”, while others – such as UK Urban Music Forum's no-nonsense 'mc_nitro' – confidently offer the less ambiguous diagnosis that “Grime is dead”. Special mention on this particular thread from which I have been pilfering must go to 'Stu' from Newcastle, who claims, “aye... it's going through a bad patch; every genre does”. 'Stu' is quite clearly either a bored Samaritan or the male equivalent of The Sun’s Dear Deidre; either way, what he doing on this forum is beyond me.

 

However, I digress. The topic in hand is that of Grime's current condition, and with the genre rapidly approaching its seventh (rough estimate) birthday, will it be celebrating in rosy-cheeked, buoyant good health, surrounded by friends and relatives, or will it be wheezing and spluttering over long-extinguished cake-candles in a solitary hospital bed? The metaphor may have gone too far, but the question remains: is Grime dead?

 

Well, firstly, we should examine how a musical genre can 'die' in the first place. There is evidence to suggest that a scene can fade away with the disappearance of a major figurehead; Kurt Cobain was unquestionably the most famous person within the Grunge scene, and when he died in 1994, the scene died with him. While this example may seem like an isolated incident, (reggae didn't die with Bob Marley, Marvin Gaye did not take Soul with him, and it is unlikely that – if Chris Martin passed away – the lead singer of Keane would immediately be hit by a tram) it does indicate the fragile nature of the smaller genre.

 

While, thankfully, nothing like what happened to Cobain has happened to anyone in grime, the stark reality is that Grime is a small scene - just as Grunge was - and this small scene's figureheads are disappearing fast. Kano has long since devoted himself to hip hop, and the question he poses via a song title on his latest mixtape - 'Is This Grimey Enough?' - will have fans of his early material responding with an unequivocal “Not really, no”. Wiley may be displaying an almost canine-like loyalty to the genre he helped create, but Dizzee has fallen in with Lily Allen and the Arctic Monkeys, and Lethal B has fallen out with Clarkson; Grime is shedding icons at an alarming speed.

 

However, while Grunge couldn't recover from the loss of Nirvana, Grime is currently housing an extremely eager and willing 'new' breed (though most have been around since the genre's birth) who are more than capable of filling Dizzee's Air Force Ones. MCs such as Trim, Ears, Durrty Goodz, Ghetto and Tinchy Stryder all have the style, delivery and lyrical ability to keep the scene alive (in the sense that they can produce high quality songs) but there's no guarantee that this alone will be enough to hold the public's attention. Indeed, after Cobain died, bands like The Melvins continued to produce Grunge music that was arguably (i.e. in my opinion) better than Nirvana's, but they just didn't have that same spark.

 

So what is the solution? Maybe it is impossible to recapture the excitement and originality of a new genre taking its first clumsy steps; early groups like The Voidoids and The Clash, for example, still remain the best things to come out of punk rock, and today we're left either with bands like Orphan Boy and The Towers of London doing the exact same thing that was being done better 30 years ago, or McFly, who've taken the original format and moulded it, but have raped it senseless in the process.

 

The solution – in Grime's case – may be the quality of its natural selection. While hip hop is commercially strong enough to cope with the fact that its biggest stars are talentless buffoons, Grime is literally the only genre I can think of in which the most famous and successful artist is also the best. Yes, despite Dizzee's recent forays into pop, he's still Grime's only true household name and yet he's also the person responsible for the best Grime music ever made; justice so rare and so fragile that you wish you could cup it in your hands to keep it warm.

 

Now, more than ever – with Dizzee, Kano and co. moving further and further away from the genre that broke them – Grime needs its 'Survival of the Fittest' instinct to squeeze MCs like Durrty Goodz, Trim etc up onto the surface and into the limelight. It's only with the installation of new figureheads like these that Grime can be saved.

 

So, the easy answer to the question at the top of this piece is no, Grime is not dead. Great Grime music is still coming out all the time. However, commercially speaking, the genre is currently comatose, confined to a metaphorical iron lung, or – to quote our kindly Samaritan 'Stu' - “going through a bad patch”. The real question is, can it come through unscathed?

 

That wasn't a rhetorical question; I really want to know.

 

Words: Tom Ellen

 



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written by Suzy NWxXx , June 06, 2007
Interesting - I dunno I think the problem is wheneva a aritst gets big from grime / pirate ... they turn on the scene that got them their and start saying 'Im Hip Hop'

Thanks Tom for a funny read...

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written by Cutlass , June 06, 2007
Tom you've completely neglected the contribution of Stumpy D in your article, a glaring oversight which mutates your article into the rantings of an ape.
T
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written by taz , June 07, 2007
Wiley's absence from your article is odd, considering he is still very much involved in the grime scene and has an album on general release.

I agree to an extent with your points tho and the line " if Chris Martin passed away – the lead singer of Keane would immediately be hit by a tram" was a masterstroke.

t.
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written by Jake , June 07, 2007
he does mention wiley cat :

' Wiley may be displaying an almost canine-like loyalty to the genre he helped create '

wileys new album is wicked !
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written by mike , June 08, 2007
hahaha top article.

first time ive proper laughed at something for a long while (and i mean that in a good way)

Theres no rave scene and there a handfull of artists who can produce a grime album worthy of mainstream sucess. so its not dead but its not going anywhere fast either.
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written by Bertan , June 08, 2007
Good article Tom. I like the bit about Wiley's canine-like loyalty - retired my arse - smilies/grin.gif

Overall, a very strong piece. I think Kano still has a foot in grime, but has to slowly start thinking about P'z and how to sell his shit. At the end of the day, as much as he may love grime, the genre doesn't exactly pay his bills.

Good writing Tom,
Bertan
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written by GRIME BRAIN , June 13, 2007
GRIME DEAD? NAH!!!

GRIME IS SO EXCITING, NEW AND A BREATH OF FRESH AIR. ITS ONLY BEEN 7 YEARS AND IT TAKES MUCH LONGER TO FORM A SOLID SCENE.

GRIME WOULD'VE BEEN DOING BETTER IF ARTISTS LIKE KANO, DIZZEE WERNT MAKING HIP HOP SONGS FOR COMMERCIAL ACCEPTANCE (DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DO WHEN BOY IN DA CORNER PROVED GRIME CAN SALE). IF MAJOR LABELS TOOK THE RISK AND SIGNED MORE GRIME ARTISTS AND IF GRIME WASN'T BEING BANNED FROM RAVES.

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written by GRIME BRAIN , June 13, 2007
TEN REASONS WHY GRIME CAN NOT DIE

1) WILEY
2) SCORCHER
3) GHETTO
4) LETHAL B
5) JME
6) SKEPTA
7) TINCHY STRYDER
smilies/cool.gif WRETCH 32
9) TRIM
10) NO LAY
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written by Bertan , June 13, 2007
If the lyrical content and stage performances were up to scratch, maybe grime can get somewhere. smilies/wink.gif
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written by Dechlan , June 22, 2007
Very good article.
Greatly agree with Bertan, lyrical content is stuck along the same lines as hip hop, which Nas claimed was dead. To be fair, the only things MCs talk about (mostly) are 'shanking', 'bussin a 9' and 'gettin out of the ghetto'.
Dizzee was popular because of his original story-telling, e.g. 'Jezebel' and 'I Luv U'.
Bizzle....Lord knows why he's popular, all he talks about is himself.
The grime community needs to get behind their talent, Wiley for one. Other MCs are popular but have no 'substance'. By that I mean distinction, both in style and voice. The public can easily recognise a Kano, Dizzee or Bizzle (maybe thats why he's popular) verse. Within grime, for me at least, Wiley and Trim are the most recognisable (just by style) MCs. Production wise, Terror Danjah is a person who deserve more recognition.
Grime needs to be played on radio 1 and MTV, simple. To do this, the softer tracks within the genre will have to be introduced first. The 'Wifey Riddim' was very popular, and if this could be built upon then I'm sure people will take to it more kindly.
On that note, the whole 'style' of grime may be a hinderance. It is associated with the ghetto, no gettin away from it. Smarter appearance may be the way forward smilies/tongue.gif
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written by Fickle_playa , September 21, 2007
Grime is not dead. As a devoted fan for many years as Wiley says "the levels are going up" Therefore there are a new generation of mc's with versatile content and beats. Which alot of people are not to accustom to therefore that's why people would think that certain artist's are selling out. There's nothing wrong with branching out but they have all kept it real. Regarding Dizzee (which is still the best mc ever) he has broaden his horizons as he has a wide spectrum of genres that has inspired him, which sets him different from the rest.
Grime is here it's just that there is not enough people pushng grime like there should mainstream, whether it's down to the record labels or fans that are calling mc's sell outs and not buying the tracks.

Big mc;s at the mo;
Scorcher, Bashy, Ears, Skepta and Ghetto. (actually the whole of the movement) smilies/grin.gif
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written by craig , February 04, 2008
grime is not dead...if you look into the scene now (not dizzee or kano, they are not grime anymore) you will notice that there is alot of talent coming up, for example chipmunk 16 year old artist he has good lyrics with positive content (just wot the scene needs to grow) also producers like young dot-also a good mc, (check out bazzooka riddim remix-great instrumental) are bringing there own flavour to the scene and if the 'topboyz' (eg wiley, earz,jammer, skepta, jme, durtty goodz etc) keep doin there ting and makin good tracks, and producers keep coming with that catchy grime sound and more young talented mcs and producers come up in the scene then we can all work together to take grime to the top and earn some propa ps.

also i would like to say that if positive forums like this (not 14 year old fakes goin on like 'gangstas') continue arrising then it will raise the awarness of the genre

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written by SAM , April 04, 2008
I can answer this one for you quite easily, THE GRIME SCENE IS NOT DEAD, it has gone back to where it started which is underground again, there is more talent out there than ever before,

But the problem is with the promoters and clubs, Club Sidewinder is the biggest thing that can bring GRIME back into the limelight again as it did from 2001 to 2005 showing off all the MC's at their best, but the problems they faced was with MC's not showing up, MC's arguing and even getting into fisty fights on the stage (Ghetto & Big Seac got attacked by Flirta and some other guy at brunnel rooms in Swindon while they where doing an amazing performance) not good you see, plus you had plastic gangsters (moody club goers) showin up who aint even been to a night and have been stuck in their bedrooms getting pumped up on the lyrics in their hoodies thinkin their bad, then comin in to the club and start thinkin its all about violence and screw faces, when its not its all talented chat and the music.

Back in the underground it will lay cause of this (even the matey that runs Club Sidewinder said this would happen if they toss about), if you push on Club Sidewinder to get the grime scene up again it will happen again, simply get people sendin e-mails to them, even if they just create mix cd's without the shows it will happen, the demand will rise.

Club Sidewinder find the rawest MC's, all the people you were chattin about dizzie, wiley etc would not have shined through without club sidewinder, i know they had things going on in London before but just in London, Sidewinder is the UK.

Club sidewinder takes them from the underground and puts them on middle ground, the middle ground people talk and word gets about, then their up,

But i agree with you on all this Hip Hop nonsence what the heck is that all about the beats are lame and no way near as good a Jon E Cash, Mark One etc, i cant and dont feel UK Hip Hop, and you will find that JME is the same and has not switched,

But still its all about the money, Dizzie was grime (could still be inside hopefully) so when he got his break and the record company told him to ditch the sublow beats as they (i.e the record company) could not relate to them as being from some opera loving suburb he did, its all about the money, if they told him to wear a suit and tie he would, its got him a lot of cash and out of the council ends.

Word for any GRIME MC's thinkin about bringing out any new albums, this goes to Trim, Stryder, Wiley Ghetto and all the others, stick with the sublow grime beats like the ones you spit to on stage and on the pirate stations, use these beats cause your hip hop beats and toned down beats aint workin for us, The yanks are all about Hip Hop we aint, UK Hip Hop is fake and fake is no good.

Hope the Grime scene bounces back soon
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written by CAZ , April 17, 2008
NO WAY IS GRIME DEAD - I AGREE WITH SAM THERE'S FAR MORE TALENT IN THE SCENE NOW THAN EVER BEFORE, BECAUSE IN THE EARLY DAYS THERE WAS JUST DIZZEE & WILEY REALLY, BUT NOW THERES TONNES OF SKILLFULL MC'S. EVEN IF WE WERE CRAP WE'D STILL BATTER THE RUBBISH YANKEES LYRICALLY!!
KANO, LETHAL B & DIZZEE HAVE GONE FAR MORE MAINSTREAM BUT CAN YOU BLAME THEM? WHEN YOU COME FROM A ROUGH, IMPOVERISHED BACKGROUND ALL YOU WANT IS A BIT OF MONEY SO WHO CAES IF THEY'VE SOLD OUT - THERE STILL QUALITY RAPPERS.

BEST RAPPER IN THE WORLD IS AKALA, WHO HAS ONLY REALLY DONE 1 PROPER GRIMEY SONG WHICH WAS SHAKESPEARE. BUT I LIKE HIM BECAUSE HE EXPERIMENTS WITH LOADS OF DIFFERENT STYLES OF MUSIC, ROCK, TECHNO, HIP-HOP, AND HE IS THE CLEVEREST MC EVER I SWEAR. OTHER GOOD GUYS IN THE U.K. AT THE MO ARE, DEVLIN, GHETTO, LIGHTNIN, JME, SKEPTA, BASHY, TINIE TEMPAH, CHIPMUNK, WILEY'S STILL UP THERE AND THE BEST PRODUCERS R PROBABLY LEWI WHITE, SMASHER, SCORCHER, DAVINCHE & DOT ROTTEN.

SO YEAH GRIME'S STILL YOUNG AND HAS ENOUGH TALENT TO BREAK INTO THE MAINSTREAM.
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